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» Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:04 pm
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» Wed Aug 20, 2008 5:39 pm
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i'm with brock, I think it's a really bad idea to allow guns on campus.
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» Wed Aug 20, 2008 6:31 pm
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i think chris rock was on the money with this
make bullets cost 10000 each.
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» Wed Aug 20, 2008 7:28 pm
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Thing is, if someone's gonna go apeshit and wants to kill people, guns not being "allowed" on campus won't matter to them.
It's not like guns being forbidden on campus has ever stopped anyone from going on a shooting spree in the first place.
That, and for some reason people who aren't familiar with firearms have this illogical idea that simply touching a gun automatically gives you a maniacal bloodlust.
If anything, allowing law-abiding people to have concealed weapons will only serve as a deterrent to a potential crazy bastard who will most likely realize that they won't get far with a shooting spree if someone is able to mow them down as soon as they start.
The only reason shooting sprees have such a high body count is because there isn't anyone equally armed to put a swift stop to it.
My 7 guns have killed less people than some people's cars.
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» Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:24 pm
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Guns just freak me the fuck out.
I wouldnt be able to carry a gun where ever i go. Thats not because i might snap on anyone but because its such a burden to carry a gun. Maybe i wasnt raised around guns and in my mind every shot is intended to kill. Thats simply too muh responsobility. I wouldnt want to pull a trigger and certainly wouldnt trust others to do that for me.
Guns vs guns should be the last measure. Saturating schools with guns wouldnt make them safer, it would more likely start some kind of an arms race. With fear of getting shot, perhaps the attacker would go for setting up some sort of explosive or gass route.
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» Wed Aug 20, 2008 10:37 pm
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» Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:05 pm
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Now i know i might get some haters for this lol
but if you look at the stats to the amount of gun related deaths per year in the states vs australia, and many other countries we have much much lower amounts. So all i was gonna say is, obviously we dont have many issues with guns, due to the fact you cant carry them, semi-automatic's are illegal over here and even the cops dont carry them.... except for special situations. So maybe the answer is to take away everyones right to carry guns etc.... it works here... but i know you guys are probably all gonna hate me for this lol
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» Wed Aug 20, 2008 11:40 pm
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» Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:55 am
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» Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:19 am
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As the saying goes "laws keep honest men honest". Making it so that you can't own guns so late in the game will not fix anything in America I'm sorry, it will just be exactly as it was when Alcohol was outlawed. The people who wanted it still got some. Now thinking of that fact if we were to outlaw guns who do you think would have the motives to try to get gun so desperately? Criminals now if the criminals got their hands on them that would put it a little one sided correct? Just seems way to Idealistic to me.
Now in the school shooting situation how would you go about saving as many as possible? Would you rather your teacher hide under the desk like a coward? Because in these situations that is their first reaction. You really think that their first goal is to save their students. It is highly unlikely. Yes they still may have more judgement and try to get their students to move as a group and not do anything stupid, but self preservation comes in going to come into play here. So why don't we train our teachers for this type incident. Just like we train our students for fire drills, and tornado drills? It seems the most logical decision but people just want to ignore what has happened and "pray" and close their eyes to reality instead of taking precautionary steps to limit, not stop, the damage a school shooting can do.
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» Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:34 am
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» Thu Aug 21, 2008 8:55 am
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No self preservation would be running away from the enemy and hiding. Attacking someone could only be considered self preservation if you were backed into a corner and had no other choice. A concealed weapons permit would allow you to choose to protect not specificly yourself but the studets as to why I mentioned the training. Most military are trained to protect someone over themselves. Honsetly though you really don't know if they are capable of doing so until it happens however if you train 30 teachers I would put money that atleast 20 of them or more will be doing their best to protect their students whether it's taking them to the nearest exit and guarding them while they do it and once they are out getting a hold of the police. While the other teachers are working their student outside. The only reason they would use the guns is if they had to. I'm not saying training teachers to go back into the school after they have gotten out. It's not their job, however letting them do all they can to protect their students on the way out is the most logical decision
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» Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:28 pm
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I glimpsed through half of the comments.
All I'll say is that about 15 years ago I had a concealed weapon permit. I abided by the law when it came to carrying in all but one prohibited location.
The one location I intentionally ignored was the college I attended. On a regular basis, people coming out of late classes at night were getting mugged. Campus police were not too successful at preventing the problem as our campus parking lots were huge and especially dark due to the location of the campus.
Anyhow. I'm all for CWP allowing carrying on college campuses. If its that big of an issue, require all CWP holders that intend to carry on campus register with the local/college/university/campus police.
If a person is properly trained to use a handgun, not just the typical BS CWP classes most states require, I'm certain that if it came down to it, they could easily save dozens of lives in a classroom should something happen.
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» Fri Aug 22, 2008 2:11 am
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